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"It's quite a sense of achievement when you've succeeded in doing something that two or three trained professionals have spent a lot of time trying to stop you doing," he said.

He explained to Lucas, as he has with dozens of other children, there were real consequences and harm caused by cyber-attacks.

"I'll try and find where their interests are and try and divert them towards professional training, qualifications," he said.

Lucas enthusiastically explained his latest computer experiments and Cooper asked him what software and tools he was using to check they were legitimate.

This article was aggregated automatically by CyberWire Daily's newsfeed engine. Original reporting: www.bbc.co.uk.